Bike accident....first on the scene............what do i do?

svr-ash · Post by **svr-ash** » Apr 24th, '06, 21:39

Out with the wife and kids today, in the car on the way to Princetown (Dartmoor). On the way up to the moors i notice 5/6 bike ahead not going fast as the car was consistently 150-200m behind them. Get on to the moors and around the next bend i see most of them running across the moor to one of there mates who missed the corner and went a bit motor cross on his R6, we stop the car

On my way down to the biker i turned his bike off just in case a stray spark found a stray fuel leak, get to the biker, hes conscious on his side complaining hes having problems breathing and his mates are all around him talking on phones asking if hes alright, tell each other not to remove his lid.

The wife runs down with a blanket (bless her) and we cover him, i ask him his name, where he's hurting, i ask him to open his eyes and focus on me for a sec, hold his head still and that's it........

A part from holding his hand and not taking his lid off what else can i do in a situation like that? Should i have rolled him on his back?

What if I'm on a ride one day and one of my mates comes off, i don't know what i should do really........................would my mates know what to do if it was me?

Note to self: Get a silver blanket to put under the rear seat!

The local paramedic was passing so he took over the situation untill the police and ambulance arrived, the guy seemed to be OK but TBH I'm not sure

georgie_d · Post by **georgie_d** » Apr 24th, '06, 21:43

hells bells man what an experience you probably did all you can do

Post by **TLS-Moose** » Apr 24th, '06, 21:48

To be honest, sounds like you didn't do too bad

Make sure one of the guy's on the phone was contacting the emergency services

Make sure the guy is conscious, ascertain what if any pain he has, and that he can feel all his limbs.

If he has difficulty breathing, loosen helmet straps/collars, etc., but do not be tempted to remove the helmet (unless perhaps he needs mouth to mouth....)

Try to get them into the recovery position and keep them calm/comfortable until the emergency services arrive. Try to keep them awake, keep talking and reassuring them - even if it seems inane chit-chat

Later, Look in the yellow pages and find your nearest St John ambulance centre and ask about emergency first aid courses

Cheggers · Post by **Cheggers** » Apr 24th, '06, 21:49

I'm not sure. I wouldn't have moved him. I'd have done what you did, try to keep him talking and keep him warm and rang for an ambulance.

ZX6R · Post by **ZX6R** » Apr 24th, '06, 21:54

It happened to me last year and it's scary.

Over in Fance and a good ridng companion of many years mis judged a corner.
He hit the roadside barrier in front of me.
Bike was laying on it's side leaking fuel, mate was laying face down in a feild.
He had trouble breathing, could bearly talk, due to this we very carefull removed his lid.
Got the emergency people there as fast a we could, and they air lifted him away.
Little tip, learn the emergency number before you go traveling aboard.

I won't go into details but he has been very lucky and is still here today.

Funky · Post by **Funky** » Apr 24th, '06, 21:57

Sounds to me as though you done well rash, i would always resist the urge to move someone unless your sure nowt is broken and even then in place them in the recovery position. If they're talking thats always a good sign and keep them talking and thinking too.

If necessary help them breathe, taking anything out of their mouth and tipping the head back slightly (do this with two fingers on the chin and gently) this opens the airway. Assisted breathing is difficult through a helmet but a rolled up magazine or paper does wonders, remember 5 compressions to one breathe (if i remember correctly).

speedy(delboy) · Post by **speedy(delboy)** » Apr 24th, '06, 22:04

TLS-Moose wrote:Later, Look in the yellow pages and find your nearest St John ambulance centre and ask about emergency first aid courses

Mark, YA DID WELL matey. Good on ya

I did put up a while back about doing this course in Tiverton with The Devon Ambulance Service, but had no response. Was only gonna cost each person £7.50.

hksooie1 · Post by **hksooie1** » Apr 24th, '06, 22:06

No need to put in recovery position if he's concious and talking to you. If having problems breathing, always good to find out what the problem is. is it airway, is it problem breathing due to ribs!? Have a look at the eyes also, can tell a great deal from how someones eyes look.

svr-ash · Post by **svr-ash** » Apr 24th, '06, 22:15

What i wanted to do was roll him on his back cause he was on his side and uncomfortable, i also think this might have help his breathing due to the uneven ground.....would this have been the right thing to do?

Now I'm going to look for some first aid courses around here so watch this space

Also foil blankets are only £1.45 + 50p P&P HERE

speedy(delboy) · Post by **speedy(delboy)** » Apr 24th, '06, 22:38

svr-ash wrote:What i wanted to do was roll him on his back cause he was on his side and uncomfortable, i also think this might have help his breathing due to the uneven ground.....would this have been the right thing to do?

Now I'm going to look for some first aid courses around here so watch this space

Not really matey, what if god forbid his back was broken

Again, no need for recovery position if the guy was conscious.

Reassurance is the main key, i think, in this particular situation

Cheggers · Post by **Cheggers** » Apr 24th, '06, 22:38

What kind of bike was it

svr-ash · Post by **svr-ash** » Apr 24th, '06, 23:21

R6 Y reg i think

Dynasangel · Post by **Dynasangel** » Apr 25th, '06, 06:32

When my brother had his bike acccident, there was a guy who said he was a first aider, and told my mum nothing major was broken and moved him. When we got to the hospital they told us he had a broken back. So from this experience I wouldnt want to move them wait till the paramedics get there

Bec · Post by **Bec** » Apr 25th, '06, 07:39

A while back Nick posted about emergency first aid for bikers.

I rang up and it seems they will be happy to run a course in either Exeter or Plymouth...probably both but they need 8 or more people to do so.

The number if someone in that neck of the woods wants to organise it is 01392 824445.

Good on you though Rash!

speedy(delboy) · Post by **speedy(delboy)** » Apr 25th, '06, 07:51

Bec wrote:A while back Nick posted about emergency first aid for bikers.

I rang up and it seems they will be happy to run a course in either Exeter or Plymouth...probably both but they need 8 or more people to do so.

The number if someone in that neck of the woods wants to organise it is 01392 824445.

Good on you though Rash!

Just spoke to them and they have said the following:

The best course probably for us would be The Emergency Aid for Motorcyclists, which covers the following:

Bleeding
Brain, Muscle & Joint Injuries
Casualty Movement
Crash Helmets (Removal / Non removal)
Communication & Care
CPR on Adults
Emergencies in Public
Head Injuries
Primary Survey
Rescue Breathing
Shock & The Unconscious Casualty.

They are getting back to me this afternoon with costs and numbers required and exact locations of the courses.