Another biker downed in Plymouth

[scorpion]

Anyone got any idea on who this is?...happened about 3.30ish today (20TH) near Mc Donalds near Derriford roundabout after colliding with a 4x4 tosser!!!!...not looking good for bikes this year in Plymouth

[Milky]

4x4's do my head in. what's the need for them when your gonna be crawling round town guzzling petrol and taking up the whole road!? Most of the time it's mothers with their kids inside thinking their gonna be safer because their in a bigger lump of metal.

[Johnnyb]

4x4's do my head in. what's the need for them when your gonna be crawling round town guzzling petrol and taking up the whole road!? Most of the time it's mothers with their kids inside thinking their gonna be safer because their in a bigger lump of metal.

Its called freedom of choice m8, a lot of people can't see why we should have bikes for just pleasure use on nice sunny days but at the moment its my freedom to choose what i drive/ride and where and when i ride/drive and if that freedom ever disappears then i will be on the first ferry off this godforsaken rock to find a place to live where i get the freedom to choose...........

[Milky]

4x4's do my head in. what's the need for them when your gonna be crawling round town guzzling petrol and taking up the whole road!? Most of the time it's mothers with their kids inside thinking their gonna be safer because their in a bigger lump of metal.

Its called freedom of choice m8, a lot of people can't see why we should have bikes for just pleasure use on nice sunny days but at the moment its my freedom to choose what i drive/ride and where and when i ride/drive and if that freedom ever disappears then i will be on the first ferry off this godforsaken rock to find a place to live where i get the freedom to choose...........

[jason]

4x4's do my head in. what's the need for them when your gonna be crawling round town guzzling petrol and taking up the whole road!? Most of the time it's mothers with their kids inside thinking their gonna be safer because their in a bigger lump of metal.

nothing wrong with 4x4's...you can get two bikes in my L200, so it means I dont have to endure a crappy van for trackdays....and more importantly It has a feck off great set of bullbars so when I inadvertantly plough into bikes they wont scratch my paintwork

[Milky]

4x4's do my head in. what's the need for them when your gonna be crawling round town guzzling petrol and taking up the whole road!? Most of the time it's mothers with their kids inside thinking their gonna be safer because their in a bigger lump of metal.

and more importantly It has a feck off great set of bullbars so when I inadvertantly plough into bikes they wont scratch my paintwork

[Stately]

4x4's do my head in. what's the need for them when your gonna be crawling round town guzzling petrol and taking up the whole road!?

Be careful
That is a very fragile greenhouse you are throwing stones from.
Gas Guzzlers ?
My bike does 40mpg, which is a pretty standard figure for most larger bikes.
Seems good, untill you work it out in terms of mpg per kilo - bikes are far worse gas guzzlers than any 4X4.
Also
What really takes the biscuit though, is when we say that 4X4 owners do not need that type of vehicle for the road.
OK, so does that mean that someone who buys a DUCATI 1098, but doesn't take it onto the race track, shouldn't have one ?
OK bikes are very efficient commuters but come on;
How many modern superbikes are used as an everyday viable alternative to a car ?
Some yes, but I'm prepared to put money on the fact that an awful lot of riders own a bike purely for enjoyment, so perhaps someone could explain the ecological soundness of owning a vehicle that for most people, exists solely for the recreational burning of fossil fuel.
Nope, I'm afraid that when it comes to pointing the finger at other vehicle types for "gas guzzling" we make hypocrites of ourselves because we are amongst the worst offenders.
What puts us in the position of judging other people for excersizing the very freedom of choice that we demand for ourselves

[Mervin]

4x4's do my head in. what's the need for them when your gonna be crawling round town guzzling petrol and taking up the whole road!?

Be careful
That is a very fragile greenhouse you are throwing stones from.
Gas Guzzlers ?
My bike does 40mpg, which is a pretty standard figure for most larger bikes.
Seems good, untill you work it out in terms of mpg per kilo - bikes are far worse gas guzzlers than any 4X4.
Also
What really takes the biscuit though, is when we say that 4X4 owners do not need that type of vehicle for the road.
OK, so does that mean that someone who buys a DUCATI 1098, but doesn't take it onto the race track, shouldn't have one ?
OK bikes are very efficient commuters but come on;
How many modern superbikes are used as an everyday viable alternative to a car ?
Some yes, but I'm prepared to put money on the fact that an awful lot of riders own a bike purely for enjoyment, so perhaps someone could explain the ecological soundness of owning a vehicle that for most people, exists solely for the recreational burning of fossil fuel.
Nope, I'm afraid that when it comes to pointing the finger at other vehicle types for "gas guzzling" we make hypocrites of ourselves because we are amongst the worst offenders.
What puts us in the position of judging other people for excersizing the very freedom of choice that we demand for ourselves

Very true mate, but i wish some of the numpties in cars would learn to drive them, and most of all look at the road/other road users!! after all it is only ships and planes that have auto pilot so far. and they operate in an area that is lot bigger than a road and have warning systems to let them know well before a collision occurs. and the training to drive a boat or plane takes years not days like a car
merv

[Stately]

Just read in the Herald that the rider died.

It seems that the only injury he sustained was a broken leg, but he died in surgery so there were obviously complications.

I think we need to be careful here.

Someone has already implied that because the car involved was a 4X4, then it must be that drivers fault.

If we make assumptions like that, before knowing the facts, then we are as bad as those people who always assume the biker to be at fault in these situations.

[Mike Rowley]

and the training to drive a boat or plane takes years not days like a car
merv

No training necessary at all to drive a personal pleasure boat by law, thats why there are so many numpty yacht and tupper ware tart trap owners on the water. Just have a look around Salcombe on any summer weekend.

[Cheese Monkey]

If we make assumptions like that, before knowing the facts, then we are as bad as those people who always assume the biker to be at fault in these situations.

Dude, the poor blokes died. No matter who's fault it was, it sucks.

RIP

[Milky]

RIP

[Stately]

[Dude, the poor blokes died. No matter who's fault it was, it sucks.RIP

Yes I know but that does not absolve us of our responsibilities as intelligent people, to be objective.

I'm reading lot's of derogatory comments related to 4X4's and the people that drive them, and even one ill informed person who stated that the rider had been knocked off by the driver.

The fact is that whilst this may be true, it is wrong of us to jump to these conclusions and embark on a witch hunt, based purely on our own predjudices and lack of factual evidence.

I'm not going to name names, but two years ago a rider and pillion were killed near where I live and yep, the car that was involved was a 4X4.

Exactly the same thing happened and the biking community started spouting off about 4X4's and how it must have been the drivers fault because of this.

Well, we now know that the rider was nailing around a left hander in a 30mph limit, lost control and ended up on the wrong side of the road when he collided head on with the 4X4, the driver of which had actually managed to brake and stop before the collission.

It just gets on my nerves that almost immeditatel, when tradgedies such as these are discussed, people seek to aportion blame.

It may have been the drivers fault, or it may have been the riders, or even a bit of both but we must remain objective before we demonise people we have no actual evidence against.

[Cheese Monkey]

I know the area and I would be suprised if it was the bikers fault, nearly been knocked off there quite a few times myself.

Bus lane, inside lane and outside. Always a queue of traffic on the inside lane (especially around those times) and usually a fair bit on the outside. I always use the bus lane slowly as it cuts out filtering (legal in Plym). There are 2 major junctions on the left, McDs and B&Q. Every day I go down there I see people in cars cutting through the bus lane for ages before the junction. Several times I've nearly been had off by stationary cars suddenly swinging out into the bus lane 50ft early for the junctions.

I would not be suprised if that had happened here.

[badgerKDD]

Either way, I'm staying well clear of Plymouth till the stats reduce .

Dude, the poor blokes died. No matter who's fault it was, it sucks.

RIP

For deffo,

RIP and thoughts to the guys family.