toseland and moto gp

redjaz · Post by **redjaz** » Aug 2nd, '07, 17:40

At last a top running world series brit makes it into moto gp but i hope they wont be using dunlop rubber or else i can see toseland riding i bsb in 2 years time with the door slammed shut in his face at wsb but hopefully that wont happen come on tech 3 put the yamaha factory backing to good use even if you are french

give toseland a fighting chance to prove himself

arron24 · Post by **arron24** » Aug 2nd, '07, 17:49

he should of held out for a better ride...he would of got it!! but good luck to him

redjaz · Post by **redjaz** » Aug 2nd, '07, 17:58

yeah mate i agree but all the top teams groom there riders years in advance abit like lewis hamilton at mclaren,tech three are a factory backed team so i can only think he must have been promised better tyres bridgestone or michelin the latter being the obvious choise as fiat yamaha have got them on side already

deej · Post by **deej** » Aug 2nd, '07, 21:40

a very very bad move,he choose the worst of the 3 rides and on the wrong tyres too, the tech3 will never be a full factory team and will be on michelins. i can see bridgestone kicking michelins arse so badly they pull out just like formula 1, i also see biaggi's backing a control tyre for motogp in this weeks mcn. he'll be back in wsbk's by 2009 racing around with nicky hayden if he doesnt sort himself out

mattr6 · Post by **mattr6** » Aug 2nd, '07, 22:09

Deej, give the guy a break.! Assuming he wins the title this year, he's done everything he can in WSB. Why not take a gamble in motoGP? At least he's giving it a go unlike that blackburn t**t Fogarty who was all mouth!!

You say he's chosen the worst of 3 rides. Assuming you mean his choices were Gresini Honda, D'antin Ducati and Tech 3 I don't think he has.

Gresini Honda have done very little this year (although the Honda is a poor bike) and Toseland would be 4th or 5th in line for any special parts. And would Honda still want him after Suzuka?

D'antin Ducati haven't done alot either. They have a world class rider in Alex Barros who should be chalenging for top 5 finishes, especially as they are supposedly running similar spec bikes to the official Ducati team, but they are nowhere.

I can't beleive Toseland would sign if Yamaha couldn't assure him they would be factory backed. As for rubber, I think Bridgestone have said they don't have the capacity to supply anymore teams so it looks like it will be Michelin who I'm pretty sure will raise there game.

Really bugs me this british atitude we got. Build em up, then knock em down. What we have here is a genuine chance of some success here. He needs people backing him not knocking. I personally think he's made the right decision. If things don't work out, he'll easily get a good ride in WSB/ BSB.

And I don't think we'll ever see Hayden in WSB. He'll end up back in AMA.

Funky · Post by **Funky** » Aug 3rd, '07, 00:09

I agree with Mattr6 we should all be behind this lad (whoever he is

). I also believe Michellin will up their game next year, but may still not be as good as the bridgestones.

I don't think there will be a control tyre in the near future, it keeps the racing alive, if everyone had the same stuff granted talent would shine through but we all know rossi would walk away with it every year and it would get stale.

I do however believe that Toseland should have waited a bit longer, it's still quite early days to be sorting out contracts. What happened in suzuka probably did harm James' chances at a honda factory ride, but it most likely didn't hurt too much as he is still winning the championship...

Post by **TLS-Moose** » Aug 3rd, '07, 08:50

mattr6 wrote: Really bugs me this british atitude we got. Build em up, then knock em down. What we have here is a genuine chance of some success here. He needs people backing him not knocking. I personally think he's made the right decision. If things don't work out, he'll easily get a good ride in WSB/ BSB.

Well said

He's british, and out there doing it, he should have our FULL support. At least he's prepared to take a gamble and give it a go rather than take an "easy" option just for for the cash

DynaMight · Post by **DynaMight** » Aug 3rd, '07, 09:16

I think most teams were very even at the start of the year because they were all brand new bikes, so pretty much every team had works bikes

(this has changed slightly as the year has gone on)

Next year wont be the same though. He'll be like Shakey and Hodgson.

deej · Post by **deej** » Aug 3rd, '07, 13:53

im a big fan of toseland on a superbike, hes a very very good professional who looks and talks the part i just think hes chose the wrong bike and package,just coz its factory supported dont mean jack. i'd love hime to prove me wrong on the yam but it aint going to happen !!!

the gresini is the honda bike to be on, how can you say its done nothing, remember 2 weeks ago melandri with a broken foot and he's had another podium,elias has even had a 2nd on a lower spec bike. barros has had a podium on his bike this season which is more than haydens managed,barros is only 1 point behind capirex's full factory bike, where are the tech 3's with their ability to ruin whatever tyre they want they should be higher up.

i still think hes made the worst choice of the 3 rides he had available to him,i'll be behind him all the same as i'd like to see a british lad do well

mattr6 · Post by **mattr6** » Aug 3rd, '07, 16:04

You cant really compare this years Tech3 bike to what next years will be. I'm sure Toseland has had guarantees that next years bike will be full factory, unlike this year, although I still can't see any Yamaha rider having the same spec bike as Rossi.

Until Yamaha announce team structures, we're all guessing really. I take your point about Gresinis results but I really rate Melandri (probably close to Rossi) and the results in Laguna were mainly down to tyres. And was this ride still available to him after what happened in Suzuka? From what I can gather, reading around, Honda wanted to keep him in WSB for another year then to MotoGP.

D'antin Ducatis? Maybe he was put off by Hodgesons experience (lots of stories about mechanics dropping the bike, not speaking to him etc).

I would like to think he will be battling for positions 6-12 once he's settled in. He'll definately out do Shakey and Hodgeson and if things don't go to plan, he'll always find a good ride in WSB/ BSB.

deej · Post by **deej** » Aug 3rd, '07, 17:37

i kinda agree with ya but next years bike are going to be further apart than this year,if he wanted to prove himself at gplevel then it was this year when things were more level. next year the fiat yam,repsol honda will be different to the satellite teams as thats the bikes that they'll be concentrating on 4 the results next season.

laguna results were tyre related but melandris ride was awesome as were the bridgestones and they'll only get better and better,i think michelin have finally had someone come along and catch them with their pants down and kick their butt just like they did to dunlop 10years ago. i think jt will be lucky to get into the top10 especially with lorenzo moving up,theres too many more fast experienced riders he'll need to beat.

can you honestly see him above rossi/pedrosa/melandri/stoner/hayden/capirossi/elias/de puniet/hopkins/checa/vermeulen/lorenzo/de angelis/west/barros/edwards.
he'll be fighting with the likes of nakano/tamada/roger hayden/hoffmann/roberts jr/guintoli for the odd point or two each race

deej · Post by **deej** » Aug 4th, '07, 22:39

just read the official statement on the motogp site and theyr classing tech3 as a satellite team for next season not a factory team, that'll make a big difference