Clutchless shifts

guzzers · Post by **guzzers** » Sep 1st, '07, 20:07

hi there,
i am curious what is the purpose of clutchless shifts and is it safe to do so? only up shifts though.

sorry if this is a repost.

andy198712 · Post by **andy198712** » Sep 1st, '07, 22:52

hmmmmmmmmmm

quite a debate on it, up shifts are fine, if there done right,

most modern bikes are designed so you should do them goin up.

they make for quicker and smoother changes if done right

i down shift some times too if the revs are low,

watters · Post by **watters** » Sep 2nd, '07, 03:51

without a slipper downshfits are never to be done imo, when giving it some ive always done cutchless upshifts,seems to be a lot smoother and quicker

guzzers · Post by **guzzers** » Sep 2nd, '07, 08:56

does it not do any damage ?

i was always under the assumption that whenever changing gear the clutch must be applied.

tony · Post by **tony** » Sep 2nd, '07, 11:01

up fine and standard practice by me for years, but only when really giving it some, ie on the way home from work, or on RWYB days etc

downshifts a big no no

the advantage is in my opinion that theres less delay in change time, and acceleration will be harder and faster IMO as thers not the opportunity for clutch slip etc as its fed back in after changing gears

baskie · Post by **baskie** » Sep 2nd, '07, 12:05

watters wrote:without a slipper downshfits are never to be done imo, when giving it some ive always done cutchless upshifts,seems to be a lot smoother and quicker

liek watters says. for every ady use , u may aswell use the clutch. after all if u werent ment to use it they wouldnt put one on. no need to do cluthless shifting really if u decent u can apply a tiny bi of cluth and get the same effect. only time i ever use cluthless shifting if wen im ragging if and its in high revs and this is the only time i would sujjest doing it. it can cause problems if u dont do it right and i personaly dont go down gears wihtout clutch although my mates do.

get nice high revs bring a big of pressure on the the gear lever, take away the slack. then quickly ease off the throttle by just a fraction, and pop it up a gear.

thats how i do it anyways. if done properly u wont see the front end dip, it should stay at the same height, and u get a nice smooth quick acceleration.

thats just they way i do it though. peeps have their own way,

but in short. dont bother if u dont need to.

enjoy

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Sep 2nd, '07, 18:48

I am slower at clutchless shifts.

But I got my own method, which does fook your clutch, but imo a clutch is easier to replace than second gear!

AndyS4 · Post by **AndyS4** » Sep 2nd, '07, 20:10

i find when shifting up there is no point in me using the clutch unless at low speed. i find the clutch isn't doing anything atall when shifting up beacuse i can change that smooth.

guzzers · Post by **guzzers** » Sep 2nd, '07, 20:17

thanks guys,
a real help.

tafflade · Post by **tafflade** » Sep 2nd, '07, 20:30

up changes can be really smoothed out by changing clutchless and for me is well worth practicing for the rare occasions i carry a pillion, no more pillion headbutting me.

baskie - cna you please use a speellchackerrr, your poast es rilly ard to reed

Banditmax · Post by **Banditmax** » Sep 2nd, '07, 20:33

I find clutchless upshifting is easier most of the time other than as said when changing at low speeds. Downshifting i have a mixed opinion on i can do it but do know if its done wrong you can end up with a locked rear wheel etc.

andy198712 · Post by **andy198712** » Sep 2nd, '07, 21:52

down changing can be down clutchless but there is a fairly high chance of it not goin well if you mess it up and making a nice crunching noise

i down change clutchless at low ish revs, you apply downward pressure and as you roll off the throttle you slot it in, can be very smooth, can lock the rear slightly, best done offroad as the wheel will skid more and put less pressure on the gears..........

bambam · Post by **bambam** » Sep 3rd, '07, 11:55

upshifts r best with no clutch but i don't normally bother clutchless down shifts,mind u good for locking up the rear wheel when u have to scrub off some speed in a hurry

Funky · Post by **Funky** » Sep 3rd, '07, 12:18

Clutchless upshifts are technically good for the bike apparently when done properly and smoothly as it bypasses the clutch..hence prolonging it's lifespan. I only do them when in a rush...i.e. going to be beaten

I did a downshift once, never again I think i heard the bike yell at me.

baskie · Post by **baskie** » Sep 3rd, '07, 15:05

tafflade wrote:

baskie - cna you please use a speellchackerrr, your poast es rilly ard to reed

how about noooooooooooooooooo. lmfao. could u imagine how long i would have to wait for the spell checker to go through all the mistakes???

i'll see what i can do

no promise's