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Cheese Monkey wrote:Admit that you were wrong.

it's not that simple.


There are two main groups of riders that interventions should be focussed on.
The first is young and inexperienced riders of smaller capacity machines such as
scooters, and the second is older, more experienced riders of higher capacity
machines. Both the skills and attitudes of these riders need to be addressed.

That has been pasted from the link provided.

Would you care to explain why it is that our skill need to be addressed if we are largely blameless in most cases

Stately wrote:

Cheese Monkey wrote:Admit that you were wrong.

it's not that simple.

It is that simple. Based on the statements that you have made you have come across as a complete idiot.

Stately wrote: There are two main groups of riders that interventions should be focussed on.
The first is young and inexperienced riders of smaller capacity machines such as
scooters, and the second is older, more experienced riders of higher capacity
machines. Both the skills and attitudes of these riders need to be addressed.

That has been pasted from the link provided.

Would you care to explain why it is that our skill need to be addressed if we are largely blameless in most cases

Well, while I couldnt comment or quote on facts and figures relating to that, from my personal experience I would say-

Avoidance. Car drivers are to blame for the majority of accidents, but if more avoidance techniques were taught and tested we would avoid being knocked off. That does not mean that motorcyclists are negligent in not knowing these techniques at all (I've never been taught, just learned from experience), it just means they should be tested on knowing them, which I believe the new test that is being introduced involves.

Cheese Monkey wrote:Well, while I couldnt comment or quote on facts and figures relating to that, from my personal experience I would say-

Avoidance. Car drivers are to blame for the majority of accidents, but if more avoidance techniques were taught and tested we would avoid being knocked off. That does not mean that motorcyclists are negligent in not knowing these techniques at all (I've never been taught, just learned from experience), it just means they should be tested on knowing them, which I believe the new test that is being introduced involves.

I believe avoidance techniques are being taught, or at least they were when I was an instructor in the early 90's.

We spent a lot of classroom time, with slideshows and videos, teaching correct road positioning in relation to junctions and other hazards, taking into account obstructions such as trees, road signs, and even pillar boxes and that was at CBT level.

The real skill in defensive riding, is positioning for optimum visibility and presenting yourself to other road users.

There are cases of course, where none of this works.

Quite recently, I was on a roundabout with right of way, when a driver who was looking straight at me at the time, just pulled across my path.

I actually had a feeling it was going to happen and was ready for it.

This is where experience comes in.

A lot of people find it hard to accept, but I absolutely maintain that a rider develops a sort of 6th sense when it comes to situations like these.

This is something that cannot be taught and comes only with experience.

As regards accidents

Unfortunately the statistics do not give us a conclusive answer.

I said from the beginning that I reckoned it was about 50-50, and from what has been posted, I have no reason to doubt that, but it is interesting that the report does suggest that the sills and attitudes of riders needs to be addressed, which I doubt it would if the report was as conclusive as some would believe.

We do have a problem within our own ranks that is eventually going to bring the whole thing crashing down and the sooner we pull our heads out of the sand and address it, the more secure our future will be.

Stately wrote:We do have a problem within our own ranks that is eventually going to bring the whole thing crashing down and the sooner we pull our heads out of the sand and address it, the more secure our future will be.

For real? The end is nigh? You dont read MCN every week do you?

Cheese Monkey wrote:

Stately wrote:We do have a problem within our own ranks that is eventually going to bring the whole thing crashing down and the sooner we pull our heads out of the sand and address it, the more secure our future will be.

For real? The end is nigh? You dont read MCN every week do you?

PMSL

Jeez. This stuff has me laughing out loud.

How about this...

A male driver of a blue 4x4, aged between 30 and 40 years and of average driving experience is about to emerge in an easterly direction from a minor road onto a major road, and a female driver of a white Nissan Micra (with climate pack), aged between 17 and 25 years and inexperienced in driving is progressing along the major road in a southerly direction. When road conditions are dry, visibility is good and the sun is shining, how much of a flying toss does this biker give to statistics and forum trolls??

'Tis simple. Keep your eye's open and your wits about you. And remember that sometimes, despite doing everything right, shit happens. And poor chaps like this Plymouth guy get snuffed out.

RIP.

Cheese Monkey wrote:

Stately wrote:

Cheese Monkey wrote:Admit that you were wrong.

it's not that simple.

It is that simple. Based on the statements that you have made you have come across as a complete idiot.

Stately wrote: There are two main groups of riders that interventions should be focussed on.
The first is young and inexperienced riders of smaller capacity machines such as
scooters, and the second is older, more experienced riders of higher capacity
machines. Both the skills and attitudes of these riders need to be addressed.

That has been pasted from the link provided.

Would you care to explain why it is that our skill need to be addressed if we are largely blameless in most cases

Well, while I couldnt comment or quote on facts and figures relating to that, from my personal experience I would say-

Avoidance. Car drivers are to blame for the majority of accidents, but if more avoidance techniques were taught and tested we would avoid being knocked off. That does not mean that motorcyclists are negligent in not knowing these techniques at all (I've never been taught, just learned from experience), it just means they should be tested on knowing them, which I believe the new test that is being introduced involves.

Well if we're going to get into name calling.

You come across as a naive inexperienced idiotic accident waiting to happen.

You say you've never been taught accident avoidence, or the principles of defensive riding.

So who did you train with, because I for one would like to get in touch with them to verify it, because I think you are talking testicles.

Statley, Whats the title of this thread

No one really give a stuff about what you write

Its got nothing to do with training, riders or yur own ego problem. Its about a rider that is not going home today or any other day

Of course I've been taught defensive riding. Where exactly did I say that I hadnt? Please point that out. Avoidance is a seperate thing in my book. The more crap you spout, the more holier than thou you come across, and thats pretty damn pathetic. I hope you have many years accident free riding, but I wont bat an eyelid if you dont.

Cheese Monkey wrote:Of course I've been taught defensive riding. Where exactly did I say that I hadnt? Please point that out. Avoidance is a seperate thing in my book. The more crap you spout, the more holier than thou you come across, and thats pretty damn pathetic. I hope you have many years accident free riding, but I wont bat an eyelid if you dont.

Accident avoidance and defensive riding are one in the same.

You ride defensively in order to avoid an accident.

Basic stuff ffs

Avoidance to me is actually avoiding an imminent accident. Escape routes etc.

Cheese Monkey wrote:Avoidance to me is actually avoiding an imminent accident. Escape routes etc.

An alert rider has an escape route planned at any given moment when approaching a hazard.

It's called defensive riding.

Obviously. You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want. Deal?

Cheese Monkey wrote:Obviously. You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want. Deal?

No deal.

Tell me what defensive riding is then

I mean, in your experience

What's the definition

Can't wait for this, but how do aI know this stupid little plank is going to backpeddle her, sorry his, way out of it

No why dont you define it seeing as how you obviously seem to know so much about it and I dont, because planks dont know much do they?