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Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 00:22
by Stately
Cheese Monkey wrote:No why dont you define it seeing as how you obviously seem to know so much about it and I dont, because planks dont know much do they?
Well you certainly don't. :lol:

So can I assume from your answer, that you do not know what defensive riding is ?

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 00:23
by Cheese Monkey
And from yours I can assume exactly the same thing :roll:

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 00:29
by Stately
Cheese Monkey wrote:And from yours I can assume exactly the same thing :roll:
Do you want me to give you some examples of defensive riding.

For any decent rider, that would be an insult to their intelligence, but in your case, it seems necessary.

If that's what you want :lol:

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 00:34
by Cheese Monkey
Please do carry on. I am enjoying watching you waste so much time on this.

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 00:49
by Stately
Cheese Monkey wrote:Please do carry on. I am enjoying watching you waste so much time on this.
So what is defensive riding ?

It's an attitude, or a frame of mind but above all, it's a heightened awareness of your surroundings and the potential dangers that confront you.

As a consequence of this awareness, you ride according to your immediate environment, and the dangers therein.

For example, you're riding up to a traffic light controlled crossroads, and the lights have just changed to green.

The inexperienced rider, will just plough through, blinkered and oblivious to the potential dangers, but the defensive rider will be thinking about vehicles that might have been tempted to jump the lights, and so ease off the throttle, cover the front brake, and scan in both directions before accellerating safely away.

Sounds like common sense of course, but it's amazing the amount of drivers / riders you see who go through junctions and just assume nothing will be coming because the lights they went through were green.

That's what defensive riding is.

Always expecting the worst, not assuming anything, and riding accordingly and thus avoiding danger.



In summary, defensive riding is about planning for the worst when faced with a hazard, and being ready to take avoiding action, (or accident avoidance, as you put it.).

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 04:51
by r1dave
Cheese monkey and stately please carry on this banter is making my day :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 07:23
by billinom8s
Stately wrote:
Cheese Monkey wrote:Please do carry on. I am enjoying watching you waste so much time on this.
So what is defensive riding ?

It's an attitude, or a frame of mind but above all, it's a heightened awareness of your surroundings and the potential dangers that confront you.

As a consequence of this awareness, you ride according to your immediate environment, and the dangers therein.

For example, you're riding up to a traffic light controlled crossroads, and the lights have just changed to green.

The inexperienced rider, will just plough through, blinkered and oblivious to the potential dangers, but the defensive rider will be thinking about vehicles that might have been tempted to jump the lights, and so ease off the throttle, cover the front brake, and scan in both directions before accellerating safely away.

Sounds like common sense of course, but it's amazing the amount of drivers / riders you see who go through junctions and just assume nothing will be coming because the lights they went through were green.

That's what defensive riding is.

Always expecting the worst, not assuming anything, and riding accordingly and thus avoiding danger.



In summary, defensive riding is about planning for the worst when faced with a hazard, and being ready to take avoiding action, (or accident avoidance, as you put it.).
Don.t ya just love cut and paste, anyone can become steven hawkins with 2 clicks on a mouse :-)

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 10:09
by r1dave
PMSL Thats all stately does :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 10:26
by Cheese Monkey
Stately wrote:
Cheese Monkey wrote:Please do carry on. I am enjoying watching you waste so much time on this.
So what is defensive riding ?

It's an attitude, or a frame of mind but above all, it's a heightened awareness of your surroundings and the potential dangers that confront you.

As a consequence of this awareness, you ride according to your immediate environment, and the dangers therein.

For example, you're riding up to a traffic light controlled crossroads, and the lights have just changed to green.

The inexperienced rider, will just plough through, blinkered and oblivious to the potential dangers, but the defensive rider will be thinking about vehicles that might have been tempted to jump the lights, and so ease off the throttle, cover the front brake, and scan in both directions before accellerating safely away.

Sounds like common sense of course, but it's amazing the amount of drivers / riders you see who go through junctions and just assume nothing will be coming because the lights they went through were green.

That's what defensive riding is.

Always expecting the worst, not assuming anything, and riding accordingly and thus avoiding danger.



In summary, defensive riding is about planning for the worst when faced with a hazard, and being ready to take avoiding action, (or accident avoidance, as you put it.).
I am now 100% educated :roll:

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 10:30
by SlowR1der
i bet they goout drinking together really.........they seem to ge on so well on every thread :lol: :lol:

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 10:33
by Cheese Monkey
Meeting up Sunday morning for some more dialogue I think apparently :D

Re: Another biker downed in Plymouth

Posted: Mar 28th, '09, 16:45
by Cheggers
RIP fella.

Just out of interest the driver of the 4X4 was reported for offences.

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Ro ... ticle.html