learner falls off

[kawasakiz]

Just had to go out in the tranny (van) to pick my mates sons bike up. He was on his way to work when turning into a side road he skidded, slid along the road in front of a braking car. No serious injurys. The bike has some good scuffs along one side and bent gear change lever and pegs.Its a TZR 50, he took is CBT about 4 weeks ago on a twist and go. He only lives about 2 miles away from where he works. He had his riding gear on other than the trousers, hes got some nice grazes on his legs and a sore ankle. The correct clothing is vital, he was going 20 to 30 mph max, it makes me cringe when i see these young lads riding around without the right clothing some with shorts on, tee shirts and even no gloves. Whats the first thing you do when you fall over, put your hands out. Ride to live as well as live to ride

[watters]

i think alot of it is down to the training centres who take them out on their cbt's. on a daily basis i see intructors out with their pupils and you would not believe how many are out on tracksuit bottoms, trainers and a jumper, if they are not taught then they WILL learn the hard way!

[kawasakiz]

i think alot of it is down to the training centres who take them out on their cbt's. on a daily basis i see intructors out with their pupils and you would not believe how many are out on tracksuit bottoms, trainers and a jumper, if they are not taught then they WILL learn the hard way!

I agree. Thing is if they dont act more responsible (and taught to be responsible) then the government will bring in a law to change it. Remember the seat belt law, this government likes easy targets to make money. No correct clothing no CBT

[A_T]

i think alot of it is down to the training centres who take them out on their cbt's. on a daily basis i see intructors out with their pupils and you would not believe how many are out on tracksuit bottoms, trainers and a jumper, if they are not taught then they WILL learn the hard way!

They are taught at our training school and lectured on (part of the CBT course) about wearing the correct gear, you can tell them till you're blue in the face at time of booking what the correct clothing is but it's up to them at the end of the day... like you said they will have to learn the hard way... we'd have to turn away at least 75% of CBT customers for wearing trakky bottoms & trainers.. lol

[TLS-Moose]

.... No correct clothing no CBT

It has been done to death here many times, but at the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibility and choice. Where do you draw the line - what is acceptable clothing?

If you are going to say "No CBT unless wearing acceptable clothing" you must have a published standard to assess that clothing against. The only "standard" for assurance protection is the CE standard, and I would guess that 95% of people on this site (including those with "designer leathers") do NOT have CE approved leathers/clothing. The only fully CE approved leathers I am aware of are made to measure BKS ones costing over £1k.

Then why stop at bikes - all car drivers must turn up in Nomex F1 suits for their lessons?

We always used to take a simplistic view - footwear that covers the ankles, "stout" trousers and a top that with layers underneath will take a degree of impact.

Requiring legislation to ensure everyone wears "suitable" protection will initially be detrimental to all




edit: Oh, and with regard to Mopeds, who here cycles? do you wear full leathers when out on a bicycle? most well ridden bicycles are capable of going faster than a moped can ever hope to achieve ......

[Deus]

When I first started riding 4 years ago (scooter) I had a nasty fall around a roundabout due to a patch of ice. I was wearing a proper textile jacket with tough jeans so didn't get any grazes or any other bodily harm. However, ever since then I'm quite conscious about my gear. I don't believe in always being fully geared, but I don't think I would be able to get on the bike without being fully covered (people in shorts are idiots).

I'm not sure what the CBT is like in the UK, but here in Switzerland you have to turn up to the test with appropriate gear (proper leather or textile jacket, gloves, shoes covering ankles, and minimum is jeans, but they recommend padded). When I took my test two people were instantly failed for not having the right gear.

I think the best way to encourage people to wear the proper gear is to show them what happens if you don't. It's an image that doesn't simply go away with a good nights sleep.

[steve-d]

Thing is though, they are told what will happen if they fall off. I sure did and it stuck with me.
But its not just nice days when they do it. You often see them out in torrential rain wearing the same. Think its more of an image thing to them more than anything. You can spot the ones who probably will get a 125 or do their full lisence quite easily they ride with a sensible gap to the car infront and usually have some sort of protection.
But whats the difference between young people doing it on a ped, or someone doing it on a gsxr1000 who should know better IMO.
Personally I think you shouldn't be aloud to ride any motorbike until your 17/18. Get rid of 50cc's because they are just too slow for normal roads. But it will also stop all the dickheads turning 16 doing a days training on a twist and go then being left to be as twatty as they like. Would also wiedle out all the people getting them because its all they can have until they get a car and give bikers a bad name, then repeat the process but now with a 1.2l clio with ridiculous mods.

[Cheese Monkey]

Shouldnt he have done his CBT on a geared bike if he was riding a TZR, which is geared isnt it?

What school you at AT?

Remember when I did my CBT and A2 a large part of it was having proper gear, and road legal helmet E marked and that. Personally I believe that if you dont wear the right gear, thats up to yo. Dont think its very clever mind, and I have little sympathy for people that get hurt because they werent wearing the right stuff

[watters]

you can do it on a twist and go and jump straight onto a geared bike,another thing which i think is wrong!

[fatjacket]

its not just the kids. Yesturday I saw a block who I know and has got to be 50ish on an old honda 800 i think with short sleeves and open toed sandals and too make it worse he had his 8 yr old daughter on the back with sandals, shorts and a helmet too big for her. Also I know the police in paignton are a pain but they have been stopping kids on scooters and checking they have all the gear on even gloves if they dont they get a warning .I did my cbt last yr as part of my DAS and my instructer refused to take a girl on her cbt as she had no coat and he had told her what to were before she turned up so I dont think you can blame the instructors.

[ock]

there`s a bloke who lives near me who rides a GSXR 750 SRAD, he must be in his forties, and everytime there`s a bit of sun he`s out on it in shorts and T-shirt, no gloves, he`s old enought to know better but its not against the law to ride like that so its up to him, he`ll soon learn if he does come off thought, t*sser, his tatoo`s won`t look so "cool" then when they`re replaced with scar`s

[kawasakiz]

Shouldnt he have done his CBT on a geared bike if he was riding a TZR, which is geared isnt it?

What school you at AT?

Remember when I did my CBT and A2 a large part of it was having proper gear, and road legal helmet E marked and that. Personally I believe that if you dont wear the right gear, thats up to yo. Dont think its very clever mind, and I have little sympathy for people that get hurt because they werent wearing the right stuff

I agree he should of took his test on a geared bike but if people do not use a bit of common sense then this stupid government who love legistlation will bring a law in to change it. Then no freedom of choice. He took his CBT at witney in Oxfordshire. If any one cares he has a weeping graze on his leg and can't ride his bike cause he can't bend his leg.

[A_T]

What school you at AT?

The one based at Coypool CM .....

[Cheese Monkey]

Ah good job, you may well have trained me last year for me A2 and the year before that CBT

Have recommended to a few mates, had a good laugh. Don't remember seeing that bike parked up there though

[Blue]

As some of you saw at paignton last night matt was in full bike kit( even if his jacket looks like it drowns him, skinny git ) Rule was that he was not going on the back until he was kitted up. Too many times you see the rider in full kit and the pillion in normal clothes. Its the one thing that does my head in